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Hello,
I recently came up with a plan for a fixed supply digital currency. How it'll be measured, how it'll be launched, etc. I'd like you to check out my proposal in its incomplete form:
www.alimatu.com/Mono.currency.system
I'd also like you to tell me what's missing in the article and what might be wrong. Do you think it's practicable? valuable? flawed? Interesting? Exciting?
I look forward to your suggestions, comments, and probing questions.
Thanks,
Seun Osewa.
I recently came up with a plan for a fixed supply digital currency. How it'll be measured, how it'll be launched, etc. I'd like you to check out my proposal in its incomplete form:
www.alimatu.com/Mono.currency.system
I'd also like you to tell me what's missing in the article and what might be wrong. Do you think it's practicable? valuable? flawed? Interesting? Exciting?
I look forward to your suggestions, comments, and probing questions.
Thanks,
Seun Osewa.
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Re: My Idea For An Fixed Supply Private Digital Currency
Wed, May 17, 2006 - 8:29 PMI'm very please to see your proposal here. I have lots of questions, because as fellow tribers will attest I'm quite ignorant of economics and money. Still I'm quite interested in complementary currencies.
My first question is why digital money? Many complimentary currencies, especially time dollar schemes www.timedollar.org/ are digital currencies. But other currencies find advantages in paper currencies www.transaction.net/money/ithaca/
I think that digital currencies make quite a lot of sense when the "region" the currency serves is an online community. They digital currencies make a great deal of sense when the purpose is quite limited as in moat Time Dollar programs. But I can see why on the ground, community complimentary currencies are printed paper.
The second question is why "fixed supply?" Most complimentary currencies networks want to grow within parameters. So the issue is not so much fixing supply but controlling for inflation.
As far as use of currencies it seems useful to compare and contrast the Ekopia scheme with the Ithaca scheme www.ekopia.findhorn.com/eko.html www.ithacahours.org/
I'll leave it there to discover whether my comments are completely off the mark. Thanks for posting Seun, nice to see you here.
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Re: My Idea For An Fixed Supply Private Digital Currency
Thu, May 18, 2006 - 10:57 AMHello John,
Thanks for your warm welcome and your questions.
> Why digital money?
1) The world is moving towards a cashless economy; even for national currencies are almost completely digital now.
2) It costs much less to create a secure and a digital currency than to print notes that are hard to counterfeit. **
3) It won't be easy to explain convince the police in a third world country that it's ok for me to circulate my currency notes.
> The second question is why "fixed supply?"
I agree with Austrian economists' assertion that any quantity of money is sufficient, and that therefore any increase in the supply of money is tantamount to theft (or at least redistribution of wealth). I feel that, all other things being equal, people will probably prefer to hold a currency whose value isn't constantly being diluted. I'd like to be able to boast that my digital currency is the world's 'hardest' widely used currency since even the supply of gold is not fixed.
(Tommorrow, a mining process might be developed that can double the supply of gold in a year but the total supply of my currency will still remain 1 Mono, by contract.)
Thanks a million,
Seun Osewa.
www.alimatu.com/
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Re: My Idea For An Fixed Supply Private Digital Currency
Thu, May 18, 2006 - 8:54 AM[quote]I recently came up with a plan for a fixed supply digital currency.[/quote]
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Thu, May 18, 2006 - 11:25 AM> What backs it? What intrinsic value is it based upon?
At the beginning, the Mono will be backed by what's currently the world's main currency - the US dollar. A dollar to Mono exchange rate will be fixed until every mono is sold. At the same time, we'll create an online market/community where people can buy and sell repeatedly using the Iono and try to make it reasonably self-sustaining. I'll explain.
Imagine a site that combines the features of ebay, google's ad network, paypal, and elance. You are required to buy some 'Mono' before you join, which is not a problem for you: there's a fixed Mono to dollar exchange rate, so you can just interprete Mono prices as dollars.
If the site's features are sufficiently flexible, then after a while, many people won't feel the need to withdraw money out of the system at all. A programmer might regularly earn mono on the elance-clone and use it to buy gizmos on the ebay-clone. A webmaster might sell ads on his site and use the Mono revenue to advertise his site or hire a freelancer on the elance-clone.
When that happens, and people are addicted to the 'Mono economy', a mono to dollar exchange can be set up and the link to the dollar severed. At that point, so many people will be dependent on the Mono that things will just continue smoothly forward from there. If the sponsor is able to keep the Mono economy growing, then the floating Mono will have no place to go from up relative to the dollar.
So, again:
> What backs it? What intrinsic value is it based upon?
At the first stage, it'd be backed by US dollars held in reserve. After the floating, it'd be backed by goods and services that can be bought the Mono economy/community/market. Since it's not inflatable by contract, it will be a currency that's harder than gold. -
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Thu, May 18, 2006 - 12:19 PM[quote]At the first stage, it'd be backed by US dollars held in reserve. After the floating, it'd be backed by goods and services that can be bought the Mono economy/community/market. Since it's not inflatable by contract, it will be a currency that's harder than gold.[/quote]
Sorry but unless you've got a lot of money in reserve already then it wont be backed by US dollars and if you do have that many dollars laying around buy a vault of gold as that will at least give it something to be solid against. Backed by something means a promise to redeme in x. For example if I backed my alternative currency "the Vlad" in gold and every Vlad was worth one troy ounce of Gold I would be promising to exchange 1:1 gold for Vlads thus Vlads then have a value. What you are talking about is creating a fiat currency of set amount pegged to the dollar. For example you sell your currency for 1 dollar per unit until demand takes over and it is no longer tied to the dollar. Much like the US dollar was seperated from the gold standard over time. I think this is a pipe dream unless you can back it with something to make people value it. I just dont know what you posess in quantity or value enough to really back your own currancy. -
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Thu, May 18, 2006 - 2:18 PM> Sorry but unless you've got a lot of money in reserve already then it wont be backed by US dollars.
When I say "backed by dollars", what I mean is that people will buy the Mono from me at a fixed rate and at any time they'll be allowed to exchange their Monos back to dollars. Changing Monos back to dollars would basically mean returning their money. That means the money they pay in when buying Monos will be kept in a traditional bank account (perhaps overseen by a third party) at that stage; that US dollar account would be used to maintain the dollar-Mono exchange rate.
The most critical stage is the point where we announce that the Mono is to be 'floated'. It's possible that people might rush to convert all their Mono holdings back to dollars before that window is closed and the backing removed. If that happens, then the Mono scheme would have failed. If not, then the transactions within the 'Mono economy' will maintain the Mono's value. If the (virtual) community keeps growing then the Mono will become more valuable over time.
There's nothing in gold that gives it value except that it is considered 'precious'. You can't eat it, drink it, plant or harvest it, use it to build a house, etc. But it's very hard to extract it from the ground, so it's precious. The Mono would be impossible to extract from the Ground. The only way to get it would be to offer goods and services in exchange for it. As long as the delicate system of people willing to accept Mono and people who have it is maintained, it retains value. -
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Fri, May 19, 2006 - 6:33 AM[quote]Changing Monos back to dollars would basically mean returning their money. [/quote]
So what is the advantage over dollars? The fact that you promise not to print more, making it slightly less inflation prone? What about acceptability? Anywhere in the world people will accept gold (even those primative tribes with no concept of economies in a modern way and only want it for its novelty and beauty) and US dollars are almost as good as everyone wants a piece of the "American Dream" what would be the lure of the "Mono"? -
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Fri, May 19, 2006 - 11:57 AM> So what is the advantage over dollars? What would be the lure of the "Mono"?
Obviously, the creators of the community are gong to have to infuse the currency with value by their actions.
- The chance to participate in a specific online market where they can only spend or earn the Mono.
- the chance to buy some goods at a discount if they pay in the Mono.
I guess I was so eager to come up with a workable fixed supply unbacked money scheme that i didn't pause to consider whether it's in demand or not. -
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Sat, May 20, 2006 - 11:17 AM[quote]I guess I was so eager to come up with a workable fixed supply unbacked money scheme that i didn't pause to consider whether it's in demand or not.[/quote]
That is absolutely the most honest answer I've every heard. Thank you. Now that you've had this little revelation, can you think of what would make your currency in demand enough to make your dream a reality? -
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Thu, May 25, 2006 - 11:44 AM"can you think of what would make your currency in demand enough to make your dream a reality?"
This is an online digital currency. If he gets the dynamics right, one advantage it may have over dollars is that it's easier to make online payments. Right now, to make an online payment I still need a bank account and membership of the credit-card network, and as John points out below, maybe in parts of Africa that's still pretty expensive. Let's suppose that Mono is represented by certain stores or cybercafes, who'll do the dollar-to-mono (or national currency to mono) conversion in the premises. Someone can take cash in to the store, buy monos, and mail them to someone else. Without having any sort of conventional bank account at all. -
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Re: My Idea For An Fixed Supply Private Digital Currency
Thu, May 25, 2006 - 3:12 PM(quote)Let's suppose that Mono is represented by certain stores or cybercafes, who'll do the dollar-to-mono (or national currency to mono) conversion in the premises. Someone can take cash in to the store, buy monos, and mail them to someone else. Without having any sort of conventional bank account at all.(quote)
You mean a western union for Africa? -
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Fri, May 26, 2006 - 7:08 AMPretty much. -
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Fri, May 26, 2006 - 8:50 AMI thought of a new idea. A currency that assured privacy. Numbered accounts, the contractual obligation to destroy records before turning them over. It would help terrorist, and drug runners but also Chinese dissadents and private corporations seeking to work behind the scenes. I'm afraid you'd find no safe haven for it because you'd step on everyone's toes just a little bit and the powers that control financial transactions would make you a target. So while risky, it would be something that would grant you great wealth and make your "Mono" desirable.
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Re: My Idea For An Fixed Supply Private Digital Currency
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 11:03 AMSeun, sometimes it seems I don't think very well in abstract terms. It seems to me you are asking some fundamental questions about money by using the Mono as a model. Perhaps my problem is not just thinking in the abstract but poor thinking all around. In any case to try for some understanding I thought it might be useful to share how I'm trying to process your idea for the Mono. What is clear to me is that some of the fundamental issues you are grappling with don't really come up in my thought experiments; so I'll readily understand if you say these thought experiments aren't useful at all.
You are a programmer and Web site developer and an ardent capitalist in Nigeria. I saw this www.nextbillion.net/newsroom...b-of-data one of the factoids in the piece is that African Internet users pay 90 times what Americans pay for Internet acccess!
You're on the right track towards making the Internet an important part of Nigeria's economic engine. The disparity of cost and many other factors means that models of development for Internet in Africa may well be quite different than models elsewhere. Seeing your creativity, you're just the person to make this happen.
As you point out alternative currencies require a community of users. One of the hassles for African bloggers who host ads on their sites is dealing with the exorbanant bank handling fees to reclaim their payments for ads. The problem of money handling charges across boarders with an international community suggest a powerful reason for a digital currency.
I haven't thought this through very well but the outlines of a possible scenario come to mind.
Imagine that you with your computer skills know others with similar skills. And that you have an idea for a product beyond the Mono monetary concept, e.g. you wan to launch a Web site or something. In order to launch your great idea you'll need some capital. One way of getting capital would be to offer the computer services of you and your cadre of Nigerian computer experts. People outside of Nigeria wishing to purchase these services would "buy" Monos to pay for these services. Actually they would pay in dollars which would go into a bank account, but the people who provided services would be allocated Mono denominations for their services.
One of the prime objectives of this scheme is to raise a chunk of capital for business investment. Shares in your business start-up might only be purchased with Monos. However it's likely that as time goes on that people who provided their services paid in Mono denominations might like to opt out of the chance to invest in the business plan you developed. The rules for when and how they might do that should be firmly in place before any services are provided.
Using Mono-denominated digital currencies would facilitate people in other countries in Africa in participating in offering services to companies and entities outside Africa paying in dollars. But because the Mono is backed by dollars it would be an easy matter for companies outside of Africa to accept payment for services they provide your group in Mono denominations too.
That's sketchy, but at least I can see how the Mono could help reduce money transaction costs in cross-boarder service industries. I can also see how the Mono could useful in capital formation for a business plan.
One of the key issues you are concerned about is inflation. I'm in America and seeing the value of the dollar plunge relative to the Euro nearly 50% in the past years is quite unsettling. I'm not sure how making the Mono fixed will prevent the problem of inflation when it's pegged to the dollar. However within the Mono scheme that I outlined, it's possible to keep money in the accounts in Euros, dollars, Sterling, or some combination of currencies.
I noticed that Ithaca Hours are pegged at $10. One of the great things about that is 10 is an easy number to work with. That's a real advantage and suggest Mono denominated currencies be based on some on a number of the backing currency divisible by ten.
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Re: My Idea For An Fixed Supply Private Digital Currency
Sat, May 20, 2006 - 10:36 AMJohn, your idea has a lot of merit and I'm glad that you decided to share it with me.
There are a lot of projects in which a Mono might be useful, but it seems that all of them would work quite well without any Mono. Now it seems as if my Mono is a solution without a problem, especially the fixed supply aspect. Ouch! -
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Mon, May 22, 2006 - 1:10 PMOne of my college friends got mono once....it was pretty bad. Totally ruined his semester.
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